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        <![CDATA[ Every good coach, from Parcells on down, breaks up a season into segments......on the &quot;How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time theory.&quot; Let's do the same.

                  '03-'04 Brahmas              '02-'03 Brahmas

First Qtr.        2-11-3    7 points       5-9-2     12 points

Second Qtr.    -----------------       2-12-2     6 points

Third Qtr.       -----------------       1-15-0     2 points

Fourth Qtr.     -----------------        8-5-3     19 points... ]]>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I agree about actual and reported numbers, this was never more apparent than during the last season of the Fire.  Kinda like I would try and buy an extra couple of tickets in my section on the glass and they were all &quot;sold out&quot; in that section only to see us 3 as the only ones in the section for the game.  It still happens today with my section at the FWCC when I try to trade in tickets for others.  <br>
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I have always wondered about the total amount of season ticket holders,... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ last year the number was a little over 200 season ticket holders. If I remember right they were listed in the program each year. I'll have to look and confirm that. Put there was something they listed us in, because each year they only used my wifes name and not mine. Anyway it's not as many as people think.<br>
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I'll find it my wife... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ How plain to I have to be. I did the head count for several years and the estimate. So did one other. They never relied on turnstile count, sold tickets, season tickets or anything until CHL. They got the numbers just never used them. Few did during the WPHL. Austin and Waco showed sellout after sellout. Never happened. I don't do it now so I am not sure how accurate it is. But when I did it they would always inflate the report. Is that as plain as the spot on the nose on your face. They... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Strange, but then maybe not Slapper.  I've asked the usher's supervisor for that count and she politely says she's not allowed to discuss it.<br>
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You sense from the Brahmas' request, not to release that info, they don't want you to know just how many really attended.  Anyone in attendance could take two pictures and do a head count from them.  Once you did that and compared the difference, you'd get an idea what the fudge factor was. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Attendance numbers there are two, the actual count (people actuall comming thru the gate) and the reported count (which includes all season ticket holders, all coorporate tickets and all comp tickets given away). Two very different numbers to say the least. If you really want to know an actual count ask the usher's in the main lobby, they have to give the club the actual gate figure from all entrances.<br>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Marc would be the man. I forgot too. Attendance for years 1-4 of the B's are high. The WPHL are especially high. Many time 400 to 1000 per game. They were not based on tangible items, I guess would be a nice way to put it. I am more comfortable with 01-02 and 02-03. I feel like there are about 2,500 die hard hockey fans in Fort Worth. If the team is losing and it snows the number is under 500. I have been to several of these. The 500 number is also good for a losing season, Tuesday night, two... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Ok..I should have known to check with Marc Foster about the attendance numbers...he has them all...here goes...<br>
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FW Fire - These are average per game for the season<br>
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92-93 - 4,920<br>
93-94 - 4,017<br>
94-95 - 3,959<br>
95-96 - 3,485<br>
96-97 - 3,501 - Championship Team<br>
97-98 - 2,108 - First year with Brahmas in town<br>
98-99 - 2,216 - Last year of the club<br>
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FW Brahmas - These are the WPHL years<br>... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ The only sellout of the then TCCC was on Feb. 4th, 1994.  This was in the second season of the &quot;new&quot; CHL.  It was a game against Dallas but not a playoff game.  The attendance was 11,461.  A picture of it can be seen at our great friend's website...www.longhornsandmore.com.<br>
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According to the same site by gammawolf (now dillwolf) I believe..the current attendance for this season is 18,867 over the first 6 home games...this is an average of 3144.  Not to shabby of an... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ : remember the year but Rip Johnson had a photo on his wall of the Tarrant County Convention Center sold out crowd. It was a playoff game between Ft Worth and Dallas.Unfortunately Ernie H scarfed it up at Rip's death. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :> --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=":>"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I will await any comments or memories. It is not a stat easily kept. It was not posted anywhere easy, I checked. Someone may have it and not posted it. I have memories but that I know can fail. So have at it posters. I know the Will could be set up for 6,500 for hockey. The ground seats made the addition to the boxes for rodeo. If it has not been done then you would have to go back to the stacks... Newspapers for night after box scores where attendance would be posted. <br>
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Best in well... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Westy you have any stats on what the old Texans/Wings did in attendance?? They only had one good year...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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Don't forget to ask Dilwolf.  He has a whole web site full of hockey history. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Drew I think I can find something on old attendance. I'll look. I know the only sellouts were Dallas games where folks came for the fights. They were at the Will because we only played a couple a year at TCCC when the Will was not available. That would be 10 games are so at 6,000. Not all Dallas games were sellouts either.<br>
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Best in attendo hockey<br>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Cowtown,<br>
<br>
  First, I would say that spreading speculation and rumors do not help the club in the least.  Not attacking you just saying in a bad time like this why throw more fuel to the fire??  I know you are just stating your thoughts and that is appreciated....<br>
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 Talking about coaches coming in and changing around programs is a hard subject for me to swallow.  See there are other things that you are not providing like the financial status of the club, was there  a new owner... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Looking at the overall situation regarding the team, it is fair to say that Coach Inglis' title of Head Coach/ Director of Hockey Operations is a misnomer. Bill is the coach and &quot;on ice administrator&quot;, but Hockey Operations are conducted above him.<br>
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He works hard and knows what he is doing, but how frustrating it must be to require approval of your recruits before they become part of your team. If they present any problems in the way of injuries from the past i.e. an... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Drew- I have no inside dope.....just speculating.<br>
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As far as being patient for a winner, that is baloney. Brent Hughes turned the flying rats into an instant winner, ditto Ken McRae in Indy, Memphis won 7 games the year before Sheddon arrived, Joe Ferras created a winner of the Apes, Ray Edwards has done the same thing in San Angelo and your Bruce Garber is now in Tulsa.<br>
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Everyone needs to forget about T.L. That is not an excuse. Fort Worth would have a winner right now if the... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Quoted:  &quot;Those that attended the season ticket holder meeting with Stuart saw Vic ask why not sign Cosmo. Stuart answered, he fit their classification of a medical liability.&quot;<br>
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Liability???  Cosmo is fit and playing really well with the Rayz!!!  Got Star #1 of the night first night back with the Rayz, one goal and one assist for the night!!  Been scoring and playing real well....so much for recovering from his knee surgery this summer!!<br> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Ok Cowtown...if you think I am going to let this statement go by without comment you are crazy...<br>
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&quot;If something happens during the Holiday season that I think might occur, EVERY season ticket holder should demand the rest of this season's money back ! &quot;<br>
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What gives??  You hear something or just speculating??<br>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I point I am making is how many people have actually voiced their concerns to Mike B. himself and then give him the ultimate statement...I will take my money somewhere else?<br>
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This is a strong statement and the speaker has to be willing to back it up.  Maybe I am wrong on this but the majority of the season ticket holders seem to be willing to ride out the waves while complaining about being seasick the whole time...the people that aren't are the average non season ticket holding... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>it takes time and patience to build a successful club and I just don't know if the fans are willing to keep waiting...<br>
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I agree.....<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>anyone willing to go to Mike B. and ask for your money back on the rest of the season??<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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			<description><![CDATA[ You peaked my interest a little so let's look at some coaches over the years...<br>
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Macker did it in FW in his 2nd season not first(CHL)...his first in the WPHL doesn't count because it was really his third year with that team.<br>
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Brent Hughes did come in and make results. I am sorry but I don't know the WPHL playoff results to know if he made the playoffs those first couple of years on the job although the second year seems they did from their record.<br>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Every good coach, from Parcells on down, breaks up a season into segments......on the &quot;How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time theory.&quot; Let's do the same.<br>
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                  '03-'04 Brahmas              '02-'03 Brahmas<br>
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First Qtr.        2-11-3    7 points       5-9-2     12 points<br>
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Second Qtr.    -----------------       2-12-2     6 points<br>
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Third Qtr.       -----------------       1-15-0     2 points<br>
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