I read some of the postings the last day or so about the Brahmas. Too bad! The Brahmas have provided me and my friends great entertainment the past few years--win or lose. I have found the games to be fun and exciting and that is why I have continued to support the organization. There seem to be a few people here to take things way too seriously and should be helping the Brahmas in any way possible for the team to get back on the ice if they are true fans!
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BrahmaFan1515 |
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Posts: 192 (08/20/06 21:45:08) 5 hole shooter |
You're right fish puck. We need less negativity and more positive motivation to bring the Brahmas back, or we let the city win. The last thing we need is for the city to think that some of the Brahmas fans don't want them back. It doesn't matter where they play only that they play. We have to join together and stop bickering amoung ourselves. No matter what happened in the past, the only thing that matters now is the present. I think deep down there is not anyone on this board that truly does not want hockey, so let's get on board and bring the Brahmas back where they belong.
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cacoach |
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Posts: 3379 (08/20/06 22:06:45) Zamboni driver |
In the words of Anchorman..."That doesn't make any sense".
Quote: So the "city" wins if we are not all positive about the Brahmas returning to FW.... Quote: Again, we allow the "city" to win if we don't continue to push for the Brahmas to return to FW... Quote: Oh what...if DOESN'T matter if they "city" wins, because we DON'T care where the Brahmas play... Brahmasfan, I am not picking on you, I am just pointing out the real issue here...indulge me for a moment... We view this whole mess as the "city's" fault. A few short months ago, during the last season, we viewed all of the problems as the Brahmas' fault. Today, we don't have the Brahmas to blame for on ice issues, so we blame the "city" solely for the Brahmas not playing. Interesting isn't it? Now, I am not happy about this situation and I fully supported the Brahmas in their negotiations for a new lease. I don't agree with the negative and backhanded method that was taken to oust the Brahmas either. In the same light though I want to point something out that continues to come out that has done nothing but hurt much of the Brahmas' perception by many in FW. To many fans simply refer to the problems as being with the "city". Now to someone like myself that was right in the middle of all of this, I understand your term and what you are referring to. When this is put in print though to the general public or sent in emails to others that don't know all the issues, it seems you are blaming the CITY OF FORT WORTH instead of the LEADERS of FW. Do you understand my point? I am the City of FW, along with many of the fans. The City is it's citizens, it's business, it's charities and it's patrons. When you start saying the "city" is the blame, many (I have had this conversation many times) feel you are blaming the ENTIRE entity of FW as a WHOLE. This means you are alienating the EXACT people you need for your cause. Any of you understand why you have to state your name and ADDRESS when you talk to the council? Yes, it is for general public record reasons, but it is also for the LEADERS to understand your impact on THEM! It doesn't take long watching concil meetings to see who they pay attention to and who they don't. If you live in the city, they will listen to you. If you own a buisness in the city, they will listen to you. If you are a donor to their campaign, they will listen to you (I couldn't resist). Get the point? Back to the original question...are we fighting the City leaders of FW still or are we trying to get the Brahmas to play again? If a few on a message board can't understand the real focus, then how is the movement supposed to succeed? I will tell you my goal and I have never moved from it... I want minor league hockey in FW. I would like to see the Brahmas back in FW(after all isn't their name the FW Brahmas), but can't control it if they want to play in another city. IF that happens, then I along with every other former STH/fan will have a decision to make... Drew |
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Posts: 55 (08/20/06 22:21:28) 2nd line |
>>>There seem to be a few people here to take things way too seriously and should be helping the Brahmas in any way possible for the team to get back on the ice if they are true fans!<<<
True fans... and what (or who) defines this? I guess I'm confused, because aren't true fans those most likely to take things too seriously? I've always had a major hang-up over this phrase, because it's usually used in a politically-charged environment, and refers to "those who are on my side and/or believe as I do." Sorry, but I refuse to fall into this trap. For one thing, I'm self-admittedly not a Brahmas fan, or even a fan of their level of professional hockey. I am simply a hockey fan. Perhaps one who views the game with a more-critical eye than most, but a fan nonetheless. But this post isn't about how I feel about this team or level of hockey, it's about the survival of this game in a meaningful way on this side of the Metroplex. If you're a hockey fan in Tarrant County, these are emotionally charged times. The Brahmas are currently off the map... and most fans are still trying to come to terms with this. Some of us have been there before, a few of us more than once. It's not easy, and I won't pretend to have the answer, because even though how I've coped works for me, people are different. Indeed, I probably haven't made things any easier with some of the things I've said, but at the same time, I've witnessed some serious overreacting on both sides. There is a core group here on this that wants to support the Brahmas. They should be trusted by the Brahmas, if for no other reason than to have a reason to maintain hope the team will return locally in some form. It's not like a leak would get sent to Angel Verdejo of the Startlegram, and even if it did, what could he do without some form of verification from the Brahmas? Face it, this forum is a closed society. With apologies to Vegas, what happens here (pretty much) stays here. There are currently three scenarios involving Blue Line and the Brahmas... Yes, no, and maybe. The best thing about the Blue Line debate being out in the open here is that the Brahmas now know what sort of perceptual obstacles they may face from their core fanbase. Is this a bad thing? I think not. Clearly the Brahmas and I have different ideas when it comes to communicating with their fanbase. My experience is threefold - as a fan, as a team media rep, and as a media outlet. While I don't thinks fans need to know everything (trust me, you really don't want to know how the sausage is made), I believe the Brahmas have stumbled in providing fans information during this critical period of their existance, because information means hope. From what I can observe, that hope is fading. I think that's about it from my end. Perhaps it will generate a response, perhaps not. I'm not sure I really care at this point. I just think most folks need to take a step back before jumping off into the deep end. Marc  |
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Posts: 6049 (08/21/06 07:11:56) Dr. Hockey |
The one real job of a leader is to give "hope". The mark of a leader is how well he/she doe it. Fostering confidence is often listed but what most folks want is to know there is hope.
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Posts: 6049 (08/21/06 07:21:11) Dr. Hockey |
When I read the above it kind of tickles me. We have had this debate so long. I think it is because the team has always done so poorly on the ice.
I can't help but see and hear the beer commercial, "Tastes Great, Less Filling"... "Great Entertainment, Bottom Dweller". One says Gotta Win Games, the other screams we got Great Entertainment. I got my monies worth. I still struggle thinking that fielding a team and playing the game is the goal and measure of success. And the thought that if you never win you are still successful because you cleared some cash and played all the games? It is like a college that has classes but no one ever gets a degree or graduates. Makes you wonder what the Taliban would do? Best in hockey Westy |
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Thanks Marc Foster.
I enjoyed reading and considering your perspective. |
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iceicebaby |
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Posts: 42 (08/21/06 14:21:53) Rookie |
Hey, I'm new to the board but not to hockey or the Brahmas.
Why did everything turn so political? What happen TO THE LOVE OF THE GAME? Now it's "negativity" this and "leadership" that. The truth is, right now we don't have what we want THE BRAHMAS. As a fan did we do all we could to voice that to the proper people who effected the decision to keep The Brahmas from playing or did we just whine to each other on message boards? I'm a true believer in "don't talk me to death, do it". So do we cry about the Brahmas not being here or do we get the Brahmas back? I personally welcome the fight. The fight is with the city, they are the holders of the contract. To point blame right now is irrelevant what we need to do is remember the city is nothing without it's people and the city needs to meet the demand of it's people. And it's people want The Brahmas! Or is this not a website for Brahmas fans? Somebody let me know? |
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cacoach |
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Posts: 3379 (08/21/06 16:19:37) Zamboni driver |
Hello,
This situation has been going on nearly 3 yrs now. There are many many posts outlining what people have done. It was by no means a few people just sitting by griping about not having a team. Many of the posters on here spent many an hour working on helping the Brahmas get this resolved. Many went to the city council, the mayor and other city employees involved in the process. Some of us have tried to point some of this in a different direction to no avail. It grew into a very political and negative campaign at the end that did nothing but hurt the relationship that the Brahmas had with the city, IMHO. Your comment on the city is correct. The city is the citizens and without them it will fall. Keep in mind though that the City of FW is approx. 625k, our fanbase was about 4k with many of them outside of the city limits. Trying to bully the city with a few thousand means you don't just use your numbers of citizens, you do things like impact on the city with charity activities, community events, out of town spend, etc. That is really where the payout is not necessarily how many citizens are attending...now if we could get a good 2k of FW citizens to unite, then we have a good base to use for our side... In the same way, think about your comment when you say the fight is with the city. By your own definition, the city is it's citizens so you are saying you are fighting the citizens as well as the leaders. Understand why wording can play havoc in a conversation if not properly thought through... Honestly the blame is VERY relevent in this situation. There is blame to be had on BOTH sides in some way shape or fashion. If you don't understand the players in the situation and what each of them did or didn't do then how do you ever fix the problem? You don't point fingers, but you do point out areas that need to be addressed and corrected. This is where true negotiators work out hard to deal with contracts... It is about diplomacy and tact. It is about having your facts in order. It is about being wise and controlling your emotions. It is about being professional and firm. It is simply about doing things the proper way and being able to accept compromise whenever it is possible. Drew |
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iceicebaby |
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Posts: 42 (08/21/06 21:54:07) Rookie |
Well Drew you I know now I will make sure that all my Ts are crossed and Is dotted when I post in the future. For those who didn't get what I meant about fighting the "city" I was addressing the City Council and Staff.
But you did have valid points as far as the compromise and addressing the impact The Brahmas have made on Ft Worth, and I know council has been tackled down with every bit of information on every fund-raiser and community activity The Brahmas have organized and/or participated in. So now what? We show up at their doors, we write, we call, we cry, what's your input on why it hasn't moved City Council to shout from a mountain top to help with a new contract. Also this quote has me curious: "It is about diplomacy and tact. It is about having your facts in order. It is about being wise and controlling your emotions. It is about being professional and firm. It is simply about doing things the proper way and being able to accept compromise whenever it is possible." Is that your opinion or is it fact? Just wondering where you an "inside player" to this cat and mouse game that the CITY COUNCIL and the BRAHMAS MANAGEMENT are playing? So are you saying the BRAHMAS MGMT didn't do all they could to compromise or the CITY COUNCIL didn't do all they could to compromise? No pressure, just trying to feel you out. But as of today, whose fault it is irrelevant. Right now the CHL 06-07 Schedule is out and The Brahmas aren't on it. I think I can speak for any Brahmas fan that we definitely want to see their names back on the schedule next year. Since you seem to have your head together, tell me Obi-Drew Kenobi, do you think we will see The Brahmas on the 07-08 CHL Schedule? Or will the cat "City Council" kill the mouse "Brahmas"? |
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cacoach |
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Posts: 3379 (08/21/06 22:36:05) Zamboni driver |
Nothing about crossing Ts and dotting Is. The point I was making is we need to think differently and more complete than just a us against them mentality. I try to challenge myself on how to improve things instead of just accepting what is reality that day.
As far as this question... Quote: Of course this is my personal opinion. I have learned in business that as either the consumer or the provider I have to do all of those things to make the situation work. In any given situation, one of those things could screw the whole thing up. As far as who didn't compromise enough...I will just say both. I think when it got to this year's renewal both sides had their line in the sand and really didn't want to budge for two very different reasons although both said it was the same reason, money. The season for last the negotiations went alot differently, IMHO. I felt that after the initial draft of both sides they found a decent middle ground that wasn't what either wanted completely but in the end it worked for the season. This time around I didn't see that and ultimately the Brahmas' lost out because they didn't hold the cards...I am not saying either was entirely right or wrong, but you might say that neither handled it completely correct either... Quote: This tells me one of two things...either you feel the Brahmas' were at fault and want to dismiss it or you think that the fault of the city can't be resolved so we should just ignore it and move on... Quote: I just happened to have been extremely close to the situation the whole way through. My guess is as good as your's on who will be on the CHL schedule next year...for all I know half of the league could fold and leave only the Global teams to play, we aren't the only team in dire straits you know...I think the situation with the Council and the Brahmas is something that will ultimately be decided between Brahmas' ownership/mgmt and the council. The fans/citizens can help/influence, but it really comes down to those two entities making amends and working out the details. We can only assist and voice our opinions, we don't negotiate and we don't make the call on financial decisions... Good day... Drew |
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