Gary
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gstallons |
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You Tube is a video sharing website where users can upload, view and share video clips. Not a media outlet like NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox by any means. As the
lady said at the beginning of this thread, nobama has 143 days experience in the Senate. McCain does not excite me but he sure as heck beats nobama. McCain is
too liberal to suit me. Heck, I think the John Birch Society is too liberal! Last time I looked the Congress and Senate were controlled by democrats. I think
Congress controls spending? GW can't be blamed for the failures of Congress. (Don't get me started on their failure to allow off shore and anwar
drilling).
Gary nobama.com
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In this Nation's beginning opinions were formed by a lot of Pamphleteers and people on corners, standing on boxes making speeches (origin of "get off
your soapbox").
Technology advances us to the Internet and is the mode of the day. I enjoy reading the differing thought. Obviously there are some who have their minds set and hate to hear any different ideas or facts. Some of my best friends and I have heated political discussions. At the beginning there were Federalists and Anti-Federalists they argued like cats and dogs. You cannot lose a Friend over politics, possibly an acquaintance, but not a FRIEND. A friend is someone who loves and sticks with you in spite of your faults. That's why they are so scarce. Less Government and more individual Responsibility, a better world. |
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John Blanding |
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Butch24 wrote:I know sometimes I take the other side, Butch. Sometimes I wonder at the reason why. That's why I called today. To make sure we were still friends. Thanks........ |
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Butch24 |
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John,
I suffered thru a couple of years when you were anti-Brahmas, to the point of getting several season seats and asking you and the lovely Nancy to every game in order to change your thinking. Now we have have a very successful season and you are the #1 Cheerleader. Why would I take some little something said by someone I love and let it make adifference. Gads man I've been Married 53 Years. By the way "intelligent insiders" is an oxy-moron. LMAO Less Government, more individual Responsibility and a Better World |
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cacoach |
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Gary, I can only tell you what Republicans say to me and what I read from Republican commentators and supporters....many are saying that the Republican party
is way out of whack these days and spending is one that I hear almost weekly. Bush is just like Reagan when it comes to spending the people's money, they
talk a good game, but the results are very obvious.
BTW, the Democrats have only been in power of Congress since the 2006 election, before that Republicans owned the place for 2 elections and spend like mad. Bush has his own list of failures, he doesn't need any help from Congress. I just read another commentary a few days ago about younger voters moving more and more to the middle and not having a home. The amount of voters changing from a party to independend on their registration is staggering, IMO. The citizens are beginning to send a message and Washington and the two big parties better start paying attention. Texas Monthly had a very interesting article as well last month on the political landscape of Texas. I wouldn't be surprised if we see this state swing back to Blue soon, times are changing yet again. If you haven't noticed, I don't draw my alliance to a party, but instead to my country and what is best for it. Right now, I don't see much in politics in our country that is good. I would say the same for our judicial system. I see two kinds of politicians today, party driven and personal driven...none for the country minus a few that don't have the power to make a difference. Davy Crockett wasn't a great politician, but at least when he was in Congress he voted his conscience not what some party or lobbyist told him to. He ultimately killed his own career because he didn't confirm to the politics that our country employed at the time. Andrew Jackson, you know the President, did the opposite and in doing so caused great harm to our country. It is always interesting to learn more about our past and realize that in many ways nothing has changed in the last 200 yrs... Drew |
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Ask people today what their number one concern is and they say energy costs. Why have the democrats consistently caved in to the tree huggers and killed
legislation that would allow off shore and anwar drilling? And spending aside, since the dems have controlled congress, gasoline has gone up to nearly $5 a
gallon ($4.60 for regular in Lake City) and the housing market has crashed. Legislative, Executive and Judicial is the way it's supposed to work.
Now this is the kind of discourse we should be able to have instead of having to resort to name-calling. Your arguments may cause me or others to see another perspective to things. Same with my arguments. I also love my country and want only what's best for her. I'm not saying McCain is what's best but obama is definitely not - IMHO. Therefore, I'm just another "small town religion-clinging gun toting American" who is voting Republican. nobama.com
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In answer to the Gasoline lines of the 1970's. The climate for drilling became favorable and the Rig count in the US rose to over 4500. The fuel prices
declined and became abundant again. It even got down to $10. 00 per barrel as a result.
Today in our time of great need we have just over 1800 rigs drilling in the US. If we made it attractive to investors to drill (we need not explore), we know where adequate reserves are, the prices would quickly decend. With only 4500 rigs drilling the OPEC would panic to see their market declining and the source of the income they support the terrorists gone. At $80.00 per BBL there probably 100 years supply recoverable that were not counted at $10.00-$40.00 BBL. An example is the Barnett Shale Boom we are enjoying. 30 years ago it was not counted as reserves because the technology to produce it was not available. Same with the tar sands of the northern Rockies where vast amounts of oil can now be produced because of advanced technology. The Demos say we can't drill our way out of it (Dirty Dick Durbin) but there is no other way.Why not create the jobs and prosperity here for our people and ease the pain at the pump in the process. Less Government, more Indivual Responsibility and a better world. |
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gstallons |
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Powerful numbers Butch, and a great post. TAP! TAP! TAP!
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Some years ago, Butch, and now very much in the past, I was part of the largest data cut-over to date. It was moving Canadian Airlines over to Sabre. Fort
McMurray, Alberta was my assignment. While there for a week, I was treated to a tour of the Oil Sands. The operational area and equipment dwarf much of what
I have seen here in the States. I had my picture taken standing in a drag-line bucket and you could have put 3 city buses in there with me. Most of the big
stuff was so big it had to be assembled on site and I think shipped over from maybe Sweden. The belt conveyors which follow the shovels actually walk and the
one I got close to ran for 5 miles back to the processing complex. I think they told me the available oil-sand was in the millions of acres. I understand
with today's oil prices their product is profitable. It was an eye-opener. Disney could not have done better.
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cacoach |
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Oil is a topic that I find very discouraging when I hear people talk about it. I would say that 95% of all Americas make the same mistake and tie oil only to
gasoline. The unfortunate fact is our country is so dependent on oil production it might just be our downfall. Gasoline is just ONE piece of the picture when
talking about oil consumption in this country. When you start looking at oil consumption you realize that nearly everything in your life is somehow affected by
oil or it's byproducts. This could be anything from lipstick (100% oil product) to the frozen food you eat (packaging wax). Now I am not talking about
shipping it via truck/train which uses oil (gasoline/diesel) either, I am talking about oil being IN the production process.
There are 3 main areas of the oil refining system - light distillates (gasoline is an example), medium distillates (diesel is an example) and heavy distillates and residuum (car oil, wax are examples). When you start thinking about 1/3 of the products are not fuels, you start to see the problem. When you dig deeper in to what these products are used for, it becomes almost overwhelming. Honestly, our country is very dependent on oil and the answer is probably a good middle ground. We need oil for many reasons and gasoline/diesel are probably the most logical to replace or reduce consumption. The technology has been in the automobile industry for decades to resolve this issue, but at times corrupt business/government employees/policies have suppressed this change. Finally, the American people are starting to wake up and say maybe we should hit the companies were it hurts, the bottom line on the budget. We are now seeing major automobile companies start to introduce more options in fuel effenciency. The answer in my view is not to simply continue to just drill anywhere possible (there are other economic considerations like tourism which is BOOMING right now in states like Florida), but to find long term solutions and move toward them. I have no problem with short term solutions if they are just part of a plan that is long term. Right now, I haven't heard those long term solutions given by any people in our government. Drew |
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Whatever oil is used for there is plenty of oil in the good ol' US of A. Go get it! The dems are already finding themselves in deep do-do with their
constituents over their refusal to allow more drilling. When gas hits $7 next year there will be a political revolt in this country like never before. The dems
are supposed to be the party of the working men and women. Well guess who is being hurt the most by high energy prices. Drilling alone won't do it but
tweak the rules that govern the speculators and see how fast oil prices drop. Pelosi and Reid are disgraceful and should be given the boot, ala Tom Daschele.
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Butch24 |
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Drew,
We have a problem NOW. The technology will come as it has in the production of petroleum. I think it is close to criminal of the two dunderheads leading the Congress, to not have addressed this problem before now. Drilling wont be an instant answer, but it will be quicker than anything on the near horizon. Just stopping the Kooks who make nuclear impossible would be a giant step foreward. Remember Kennedy killed more people at Chappiquidik (sp) than have been killed at Three Mile Island and the rest of the nuclear power in this country. Even France derives 80% of their electric power from nuclear plants. We have coal to last to infinity, and the tech to make it clean is coming. Don't ever say that Americans cannot beat a problem down. At the start of WWII we had almost nothing and a small Army, but look what happened when we went to work and were properly motivated. I trained around haystacks with a sign "Tank" and bales of hay stacked sign "big gun", but just look at the historic photos of many of the enemy's large cities, the enemy was crushed in 4 years. People who think we can't win this are victims of the "intelligent insiders" (paid propagandists) on the TV. WE CAN DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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The Channel 8 evening new showed a segment on a natural gas station owned by Haltom City, I believe. Initially, they fueled their entire city fleet. Then
manufacturers quit making natural gas burning vehicles. At the end of that news I think they reported either Honda or Toyota made a small sedan that ran on
natural gas. And, I think they said the fuel cost was $1.00/gal. They also said a conversion package cost about $15,000.
It seems like we are caught in a pay it now or pay it later, no matter which fuel we go with. |
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Converting an 8 cylinder vehicle to propane can be done for under $1,000. Keller will be coverting their fleet to propane, natural gas, flex fuel over the next
few years. Hydrogen conversions are also available but I don't know the cost.
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cacoach |
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Butch, the problem has existed for decades. The only reason why Americas think it is a problem now is because it is finally affecting them. This is the short
sighted visions that continue to cripple our nation's leaders and citizens. To many look at their PERSONAL lives and not the overall situation. Gas prices
have been high and still are in most of the 1 and 2 world countries around the globe, it has just finally hit us in the pocketbook. The Europeans I work with
(there are alot working for a German company) just shake their heads and say, what is the problem? It is their way of saying, get rid of your large vehicles,
get some public transportation in place, design better automobiles and learn to adapt.
Sure there are ways to cut SOME cost today, but what about in 15 yrs when my kids are driving? This is the sad fact, no one looks to the future in our government, they only look to the next election. Americans and maybe people in general are so worried about today and their current situation that they fail to prepare for anything in the future. Look up how Americans saving patterns over the last 10 yrs...you will see a steady decline, look at retirement investments and you will see a decline except in work force driven areas like 401k, etc. Our country has fallen into a vision that life will always be great. My point is simple...our country has to get out of the quick fix, me mentality and start looking for long term solutions that are not only good for ourselves but those around us. Of course, maybe this is me thinking to much of what Christ taught to his disciples. You speak of WWII yrs, I happen to have an 82 yr father that lived through the previous years of depression and then the war years. His comments are incredible to me on how life was lived during those times. He mentioned just a few days ago about gasoline rationing during the war and how most people got TWO gallons of gas a WEEK unless you had a job and then you got SIX gallons a WEEK. He told me the story of how they would get the gas to bus the high school football team to the next town to play on Friday nights, it was DONATED by citizens thus giving up their OWN gasoline rations. This is a very small example of why the country succeeded in WWII. He is always telling me about rationing, doing without, his school class searching local junk yards/fields for scrap metal/rubber, finding way to support the war effort. The country UNITED and SACRIFICED for the good of the country and each other. Today, our citizens care about their own well being, not that of others...a very sad fact and state, IMO. I laugh when people we are in a war time, we aren't anywhere close to a war time, just ask anyone that lived during one. Drew |
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I don't think changing the way we do things...as a country, like using gasoline to fuel our automobiles will ever be easy.
There was some kind of automotive show the major networks showed last week. A lot of focus was on the interest in hybrid cars. There seemed to be few alternative fueled cars at this show. The interviewing news man was pressuring the CEO of GM (I think) about that. The CEO responded by saying Detroit is ready. We have the ability. We have the technology. ...to produce the next generation of cars using alternative fuels. What this country doesn't have is a distribution network in place to support those vehicles. Meaning people won't buy them unless they can conveniently refuel them...therefore Detroit can't sell them, and will not manufacture them. When you consider the colossal size of the needed alternative fuel distribution network, who will build it? Will it be built gradually, or will there ever be a massive undertaking to establish one. Gary says you can convert a gasoline powered car to propane or natural gas for a thousand dollars. For me, that's within easy range. So say I did it. Now my fuel cost a $1+/gal. I want to take a trip to Canada. Where do I refuel along the way? 3 cars? Mine, Nancy's to drive around town in using natural gas. One gas guzzler for us to take trips in?
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What they do not build and market you can not buy and drive. America's demand drives the market but what they produce as a result is up to them. They want
you to do just what you are doing and most likely know what you are going to want and get before you do. Was a shame "THEY" left GM out of the info
loop or GM was not listening while Toyota and Honda chased their collective tails. None of this is magic and you bet the guys on top know exactly what is going
on. Motivation for Saudi to produce more... Fear the users might find ways to cut oil consumption and desire, lowering their need for over priced product.
Sounds a lot like Tobacco guys.
Best in business dominated hockey Westy
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cacoach |
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If you have access to last month's Texas Monthly edition, there is an incredible and interesting article on the oil business from another angle....the
contractor in a foreign country that was taken hostage by a local activist/terriorist group. It is about the dangers, costs, politics, etc in a foreign
country, specifically Nigeria for the subject of the article.
There was one part that really made me think about all of this... A few yrs ago is when this story occurred with the hostages, during this time Nigeria's oil production dropped down to 25% of regular supply because of these hostile actions going on. During this time oil/gasoline shot up big time overnight, while we were being fed stuff about supply and demand and calls for more drilling, the reality was some militant groups had taken some hostages and using aggressive tactics had effectively shut down the largest producer in Africa and in the top 10 worldwide of oil. The reason behind of all this action - POLITICAL and Environmental groups... Don't believe everything you read and hear from our government and media...find the people that were actually involved, then you will find more of the truth, not 100%, but closer. Don't get me started on history and how it has miraculously changed over the years in books, classrooms and people's minds... Drew
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Be prepared to pay even more for water and wind. If this doesn't scare you nothing will.
http://earth2tech.com/2008/06/20/t-boone-pickens-taps-water-wind-for-land-grab/ |
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For the most part we cause most of our problems and other's take advantage of us openly and it's easy since we drive Hummers and Suburbans and a vast
number of other gas eating machines. I say bring back the blue laws and close everything on Sunday's like yesteryear. Fuel consumption will drop and you
just might have to spend some time with your family at home, maybe even slow down and read. Then sell food outside of this country inflated like they sell oil.
Let them try to eat sand and drink oil for awhile, see how long it takes for them to start complaining about things.
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